Acabei de receber este email de um amigo indiano, com o qual tive um longo papo há duas semanas atrás a respeito de religião, fé, Deus e Ciência.
O mais enriquecedor de se estar fora do seu país é conhecer outras formas de ver o mundo, com completo e distinto sentindo. Somos todos diferentes e, no entanto, tão iguais.
Só para pontuar, ele me contou que na Índia há mais de 300 mil deuses, sendo 29 os principais, e ele se diz ateu.
Só para pontuar, ele me contou que na Índia há mais de 300 mil deuses, sendo 29 os principais, e ele se diz ateu.
lets put your logic to the test
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
P.S.
I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you?
Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.
By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
When I read this, I remembered that you had mentioned about Einstein's saying for quantum mechanics that "God does not throw dice".
O diálogo é bem legal mas eu não acredito que tenha sido realmente de Einstein, muita coisa é atribuida a muita gente de forma errada mas o diálogo é bem legal.
ResponderExcluirO que eu costumo dizer é que o erro da humanindade foi criar Deus (como é dito no começo do encarte de Aqualung, do Jethro Tull). Dessa forma nós tentamos humanizar Seu comportamento e levamos pra Ele nosso conceito de bem e mal quando as razões Dele podem ser bem diferentes.
Esse argumento de que "se Deus é bom porque coisas ruins acontecem?" é o mais usado por ateus, algo que balança diante do que eu falei e do que é visto no diálogo. No entanto dizer que a maldade é a ausência de Deus é como achar que só através da religião podemos ser bons e que sem ela não haveria ordem.
Por outro lado o estudante estava errado ao falar do cérebro do professor pois podemos observar seu funcionamento de outras formas.
Pra mim tanto faz se foi ou não Einstein. Ainda sim o diálogo é coerente!
ExcluirMas vc está errado quanto atrela Deus à religião. Religião é uma coisa e Deus outra. Muitas religiões são baseadas no conceito de Deus, mas muitas não.
Por exemplo, vc não acha que ser militante da esquerda é quase que o mesmo que seguir uma religião?
Ou seguir qualquer outro ideal, em grupo, onde há deveres e obrigações com a causa. Isso tb não é religião?
E onde esta Deus nessas?
E o estudante não estava errado qto cérebro do professor por duas razões, primeiro pq ele usou os mesmo critérios dos 5 sentidos que o professor usou para tentar dizer que Deus não existe.
Segundo, que, a não ser que vc abra a cabeça do professor e veja o cérebro deste, os outros métodos baseiam-se no eletromagnetismo e propagação do som, cujo o primeiro, como foi explicado pelo aluno neste mesmo texto, é um conceito físico que ainda hoje as pessoas não dominam 100% as causas e efeitos.